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		By: Aurelija Drevel		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sorry to arrive late to the discussion, but oh well... here are my two cents...  as a totally white Eastern European woman, an (ex?)anthropologist and in general a white crow/black sheep in the field of a &quot;proper&quot; anthropology, because I do studies of the digital (the blasphemy! burn the... oh wait, lets just not publish it... the times have &quot;changed&quot;)... :)

So how does it look from the white side? I wish I could say it is a lot brighter, but... to be honest, a lot of things you mention sound awfully familiar.  I wish I could blame it on the race, or on the men, or on the lack of funds... but tbh it is all about me and my choice of subjects. When I started in academia 20 years ago, I thought it to be a sanctuary of the knowledge, a light for the society and so on... yeah right... 20 years later and it looks more and more like a dusty tomb... and I am there on some kind of a tour, hosted by a deadly serious and slightly unhealthily pale undertaker - so, you know,  not to disturb the peace... of the late cannons of the research and anthropo-methods.  :) If I flirt with feminism, I piss off the traditionalists, if I flirt with neurology, I piss off gender studies... If I question the methods - I am doing the research wrong... If I insist the data is human and personal, I get questioned if I am even researching the human groups... and on top of it all, if I am talking about my people, our Eastern European experience of soviet occupation and concentration camps... I am dismissed as irrelevant and inconvenient... because, you know... talking about the emotional backgrounds formed when living with your dead piled on your porch... because you cannot dig a hole in the permafrost and perform the rites...  is a bit too gruesome subject really, can&#039;t we find a happier one?...and... it is white cultural experience, so it leads to nationalism and demonic men anyway... actually can&#039;t you just find those in there while you are at it?  :) Sigh... and the list goes on, while inside the little scientist shouts IT IS NOT THE POINT, look what you actually found!!!.  :)

In the end, I think it boils down to the question of freedom. Freedom to be able to speak free,  in a rigid academic environment, dominated by the middle-class (American) values (does not matter left or right, nazi or metoo). As in that song...  &quot;I struggled with some demons &#124; They were middle-class and tame.&quot;... New ideas are fairly inconvenient thing, they tend to shatter the old believes and theories... and it does not matter if those theories come from the very rigid traditional anthropology or ultra contemporary gender studies, the result is the same, it is an uphill battle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to arrive late to the discussion, but oh well&#8230; here are my two cents&#8230;  as a totally white Eastern European woman, an (ex?)anthropologist and in general a white crow/black sheep in the field of a &#8220;proper&#8221; anthropology, because I do studies of the digital (the blasphemy! burn the&#8230; oh wait, lets just not publish it&#8230; the times have &#8220;changed&#8221;)&#8230; 🙂</p>
<p>So how does it look from the white side? I wish I could say it is a lot brighter, but&#8230; to be honest, a lot of things you mention sound awfully familiar.  I wish I could blame it on the race, or on the men, or on the lack of funds&#8230; but tbh it is all about me and my choice of subjects. When I started in academia 20 years ago, I thought it to be a sanctuary of the knowledge, a light for the society and so on&#8230; yeah right&#8230; 20 years later and it looks more and more like a dusty tomb&#8230; and I am there on some kind of a tour, hosted by a deadly serious and slightly unhealthily pale undertaker &#8211; so, you know,  not to disturb the peace&#8230; of the late cannons of the research and anthropo-methods.  🙂 If I flirt with feminism, I piss off the traditionalists, if I flirt with neurology, I piss off gender studies&#8230; If I question the methods &#8211; I am doing the research wrong&#8230; If I insist the data is human and personal, I get questioned if I am even researching the human groups&#8230; and on top of it all, if I am talking about my people, our Eastern European experience of soviet occupation and concentration camps&#8230; I am dismissed as irrelevant and inconvenient&#8230; because, you know&#8230; talking about the emotional backgrounds formed when living with your dead piled on your porch&#8230; because you cannot dig a hole in the permafrost and perform the rites&#8230;  is a bit too gruesome subject really, can&#8217;t we find a happier one?&#8230;and&#8230; it is white cultural experience, so it leads to nationalism and demonic men anyway&#8230; actually can&#8217;t you just find those in there while you are at it?  🙂 Sigh&#8230; and the list goes on, while inside the little scientist shouts IT IS NOT THE POINT, look what you actually found!!!.  🙂</p>
<p>In the end, I think it boils down to the question of freedom. Freedom to be able to speak free,  in a rigid academic environment, dominated by the middle-class (American) values (does not matter left or right, nazi or metoo). As in that song&#8230;  &#8220;I struggled with some demons | They were middle-class and tame.&#8221;&#8230; New ideas are fairly inconvenient thing, they tend to shatter the old believes and theories&#8230; and it does not matter if those theories come from the very rigid traditional anthropology or ultra contemporary gender studies, the result is the same, it is an uphill battle.</p>
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		By: John McCreery		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2018 09:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zoe, thank you for writing this. It is, as others have already noted, a powerful piece. I am an old (70+), white, privileged male, but also an exile from the academy who is fortunate to be able to pursue academic interests without depending on what appears to be an increasingly rotten system for my livelihood. I am touched by what you write. In response, I offer two thoughts.

First, an important part of anthropology’s colonial heritage is the way in which students trained in North America and Europe see anthropology as a field dominated by white men from these parts of the world. The largest concentrations of anthropologists elsewhere are in Asia, in China, Japan and South Asia. When I read your list of notable, non-EuroAmerican social theorists, I note the absence of Nakane Chie and Umesao Tadao from Japan and Fei Xiaotong from China. It is surely the fault of my ignorance that I cannot mention South Asian scholars of similar prominence.

Second, I recall Thomas Kuhn’s observation that scientific paradigms change when those who embody the old paradigm die. The white men whose works are most often cited are doing just that. The figures who shaped my anthropology, Geertz, Turner, Douglas, Lévi-Strauss are gone. So are Irving Goffman, Ward Goodenough, David Schneider, Dell Hymes, Edmund Leach, Rodney Needham, etc., etc., etc. The last five presidents of the American Anthropological Society have all been women, including women of color. As Dylan once sang, “The times, they are a’changing.” For what it is worth, I encourage you to hang around and be part of that change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe, thank you for writing this. It is, as others have already noted, a powerful piece. I am an old (70+), white, privileged male, but also an exile from the academy who is fortunate to be able to pursue academic interests without depending on what appears to be an increasingly rotten system for my livelihood. I am touched by what you write. In response, I offer two thoughts.</p>
<p>First, an important part of anthropology’s colonial heritage is the way in which students trained in North America and Europe see anthropology as a field dominated by white men from these parts of the world. The largest concentrations of anthropologists elsewhere are in Asia, in China, Japan and South Asia. When I read your list of notable, non-EuroAmerican social theorists, I note the absence of Nakane Chie and Umesao Tadao from Japan and Fei Xiaotong from China. It is surely the fault of my ignorance that I cannot mention South Asian scholars of similar prominence.</p>
<p>Second, I recall Thomas Kuhn’s observation that scientific paradigms change when those who embody the old paradigm die. The white men whose works are most often cited are doing just that. The figures who shaped my anthropology, Geertz, Turner, Douglas, Lévi-Strauss are gone. So are Irving Goffman, Ward Goodenough, David Schneider, Dell Hymes, Edmund Leach, Rodney Needham, etc., etc., etc. The last five presidents of the American Anthropological Society have all been women, including women of color. As Dylan once sang, “The times, they are a’changing.” For what it is worth, I encourage you to hang around and be part of that change.</p>
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		By: Ganesh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 18:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said. As a non anthropologist even I can understand. I am sure there a lot of people thinking the same thing, but not expressing
it. I am alarmed to see the growth of fundamentalism in several parts of the world including your neighbor south of your border.
Stand up and stand tall. Otherwise you will not be counted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. As a non anthropologist even I can understand. I am sure there a lot of people thinking the same thing, but not expressing<br />
it. I am alarmed to see the growth of fundamentalism in several parts of the world including your neighbor south of your border.<br />
Stand up and stand tall. Otherwise you will not be counted.</p>
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		By: zoetodd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2018/05/12/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go/comment-page-1/#comment-564&quot;&gt;Will Meyer&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for this. In building Mbembe&#039;s vision of the pluriversity, he also talks about reconfiguring the way the university works, and I think we need plural and dynamic ways of configuring what our work looks like -- we need to be able to imagine teaching, research, writing, etc... to exist in different configurations, just as you show by sharing your exciting and nourishing work/life experience in your current job. I am so glad you have a working environment that is enriching and rewarding. That&#039;s really what I hope for everyone. That the work we do is meaningful, enriching, and has room for joy. Thanks for showing me it&#039;s possible!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2018/05/12/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go/comment-page-1/#comment-564">Will Meyer</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for this. In building Mbembe&#8217;s vision of the pluriversity, he also talks about reconfiguring the way the university works, and I think we need plural and dynamic ways of configuring what our work looks like &#8212; we need to be able to imagine teaching, research, writing, etc&#8230; to exist in different configurations, just as you show by sharing your exciting and nourishing work/life experience in your current job. I am so glad you have a working environment that is enriching and rewarding. That&#8217;s really what I hope for everyone. That the work we do is meaningful, enriching, and has room for joy. Thanks for showing me it&#8217;s possible!</p>
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		By: zoetodd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2018/05/12/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go/comment-page-1/#comment-562&quot;&gt;an undergrad&lt;/a&gt;.

thank you for your bravery and your integrity. I know that you&#039;re making an impact, and whether you stay or go, you are going to carry your stories with you into really meaningful engagements, work, forms of community.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2018/05/12/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go/comment-page-1/#comment-562">an undergrad</a>.</p>
<p>thank you for your bravery and your integrity. I know that you&#8217;re making an impact, and whether you stay or go, you are going to carry your stories with you into really meaningful engagements, work, forms of community.</p>
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		By: Will Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 14:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not that you need my validation, but this is a brilliant and powerful piece, and I thank you for sharing it. Anthropology definitely needs you to stay, but that is the discipline&#039;s problem, not yours. If I may ask a question: do you think part of the problem with your fit in the academy might be the kind of academic post you occupy? A few years ago, I took on a blended administrative-teaching role at a small liberal arts college. At first, it felt like I was settling for something less than the life of the research professor --- the life I had been disciplined to expect and respect by the R1 program from which I graduated. I planned to move on to that kind of position as soon as possible. But I have come to realize that (at least for me) working in this kind of role at this kind of institution can actually be liberating. Like you, I don&#039;t fit into clean disciplinary boxes, and the work I do doesn&#039;t require me to. I am applauded for sharing just the kind of information about social inequalities that you mention; and for trying to inspire the next generation of students --- most of whom will go out into the world, not into the Ivory Towers of academe --- to push for change. While I don&#039;t have as much time set aside for research activities, my VPAA supports my efforts at continued research and external service work. He recognizes it not only helps me to develop within my own career, it enhances the intellectual profile of my campus, making it easier to accomplish our very clear mission. I don&#039;t know if this is the answer for everyone, but I can say that I would be happy --- indeed proud --- to teach social science alongside someone with your interests and commitments. I hope that you will find a place that allows you to live authentically within your professional self. Best wishes...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that you need my validation, but this is a brilliant and powerful piece, and I thank you for sharing it. Anthropology definitely needs you to stay, but that is the discipline&#8217;s problem, not yours. If I may ask a question: do you think part of the problem with your fit in the academy might be the kind of academic post you occupy? A few years ago, I took on a blended administrative-teaching role at a small liberal arts college. At first, it felt like I was settling for something less than the life of the research professor &#8212; the life I had been disciplined to expect and respect by the R1 program from which I graduated. I planned to move on to that kind of position as soon as possible. But I have come to realize that (at least for me) working in this kind of role at this kind of institution can actually be liberating. Like you, I don&#8217;t fit into clean disciplinary boxes, and the work I do doesn&#8217;t require me to. I am applauded for sharing just the kind of information about social inequalities that you mention; and for trying to inspire the next generation of students &#8212; most of whom will go out into the world, not into the Ivory Towers of academe &#8212; to push for change. While I don&#8217;t have as much time set aside for research activities, my VPAA supports my efforts at continued research and external service work. He recognizes it not only helps me to develop within my own career, it enhances the intellectual profile of my campus, making it easier to accomplish our very clear mission. I don&#8217;t know if this is the answer for everyone, but I can say that I would be happy &#8212; indeed proud &#8212; to teach social science alongside someone with your interests and commitments. I hope that you will find a place that allows you to live authentically within your professional self. Best wishes&#8230;</p>
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		By: an undergrad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2018 12:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this. I&#039;m only an undergrad, but this still resonates deeply with how I&#039;ve been feeling for a while now. I&#039;ve only been in Anthro for a few years, but already I feel the disciplining so deeply in my bones. I&#039;ve become a &quot;problem&quot; in my (mostly white) department for pushing for structural change in how the department talks about race and decolonization, and I am so tired. Of pushing, of fighting for an inch of space, of trying to set it all aside to try to do my best intellectual work. Of teaching myself the work of BIPOC academics across disciplines, because we don&#039;t read them in class. Even as an undergrad, I was enlisted early on into the project of defending Anthropology to the people around me, but as the years have progressed I can no longer defend Anthro, or encourage peers to enter the discipline. I will be forever grateful for the way Anthro has shaped my thinking, but it has taken all my strength just to carve out a little breathing room. I want to stay, but there is so little joy left for me in Anthropology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. I&#8217;m only an undergrad, but this still resonates deeply with how I&#8217;ve been feeling for a while now. I&#8217;ve only been in Anthro for a few years, but already I feel the disciplining so deeply in my bones. I&#8217;ve become a &#8220;problem&#8221; in my (mostly white) department for pushing for structural change in how the department talks about race and decolonization, and I am so tired. Of pushing, of fighting for an inch of space, of trying to set it all aside to try to do my best intellectual work. Of teaching myself the work of BIPOC academics across disciplines, because we don&#8217;t read them in class. Even as an undergrad, I was enlisted early on into the project of defending Anthropology to the people around me, but as the years have progressed I can no longer defend Anthro, or encourage peers to enter the discipline. I will be forever grateful for the way Anthro has shaped my thinking, but it has taken all my strength just to carve out a little breathing room. I want to stay, but there is so little joy left for me in Anthropology.</p>
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